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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 12:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast


This was my bt client yesterday


This is my bt client right now



I'm not gonna do all the math here. I'll toss out some simple factors to get you thinking about it. You can buy a self-powered, USB 2 external 500 gig hard drive for about $125. Use it as a spare drive, or a back-up for your music and warez libraries. Comcast hi-speed internet is about 45 to 50 dollars a month. They're touting 8 mega bits / per second bandwidths for you. I still despise Comcast for being scumbag Net Neutrality haters and blockers of peer-to-peer networks such as bit torrent. Before you sign-up with with these butt-wipe jerkweeds -- or even if you do not -- we should be ripping their heads off and taking a big, long, stinky dump down their necks.

Comcast + 500 gig hard drive is 200 dollars for two months of Internet. mayormarionbarry says, "The entire WOS project will be seeded in 6 Volumes containing every 1974 seed. The entire project is 80 gigs. The next installment of the Wall of Sound is coming during the next 10 days."

Do the math. And you'll still have over one month of hi-speed Internet left to drain the Internet of everything out there. Or you can seed your entire music library to the cause and upload everything you have. You can blow your money collecting GD in any number of ways. Why not do that crap later? I just laid down the ULTIMATE BEST way for you to "Get it while the getting is GOOD! And make sure to BACK-UP all your stuff." Let me know if there's a better way to go. Thanks.

We can d/l and share the entire WOS collection if we decide to jump on this thing. What are you waiting for? I did get Vol 2 and Vol 3 in less than 24 hours. I was actually bumping and exceeding the 8 mega-bit barrier during lots of the d/l. Vol 1 and Vol 4 are dogging it by comparison. C'mon d-heads, get on these 4 torrents. The mayor is gonna bang out Vol 5 and Vol 6 soon enough.



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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Mar 21, 2008 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

you got to remember monte the wall of sound has been seeded numerous times over the last few years,at the other trackers way before the bt.etree project so the takers will be less than usual since most folks have all these shows.actually you can save your bandwidth and do a hard drive trade which is becoming more popular these days.send a couple of drives and they fill up complete years of your choice.more and likely hard drive trades will be the prefer method of trading since drives are becoming cheaper to purchase.you can get the complete years from 1965-1979 from a few folks at legs.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

Didn't know that. Other than bt-etree and LMA, I rarely surf for music. GD is only half of what I listen to. Newgrass Music is my other half. LMA is the best on the Planet, so far as I've seen. Very nice searchable database. I'm a GD 1973-loving die-hard. I watch what you people discuss here. I now have excellent GD from early years to about end of 1983. I'm good-to-go. I've not seen much 1974 up 'til now. Just sharing, is all. Trading tera-byte sized hard drives fulla everything is not something I'm cheering about. You can see it coming from a mile away.

oh yeah, on a more personal note -- I just spent $100 on some decent headphones, and $70 to buy a used Lexicon Alpha. Using these, my 35-year-old Nakamichi 550, and Samplitude, I recently seeded the BEST and only complete AUD for GD73-06-10 -- one of the most EPIC sounding shows of all-time. RFK Stadium, Wash DC, with the Allman Brothers Band. The Wall of Sound was nailed for the weekend. I was a taper there for my 1st time.

I hope you enjoy my tapes. This wknd was the 1st time I ever taped. Sat, June 9 was my 1st time. I must confess. With somewhere bet 60,000 and 100,000 music-lovers at these 2 shows with the Allman Bros and the Grateful Dead, I was totally chicken-shit to get out of my comfy stadium seating with my taping gear. Never mind I was violating probation from some bs marijuana poss charges, and "leaving my home state w/o their permission." It was muggy, hot, easily 100 degrees on Saturday.

My friend Jay D'elia came over and gently pulled on my arm, prompting me to get up from my seat. He guided me along, leading me by my arm, as he parted the infield crowd of dead-heads just like Moses did in the biblical story. Once we found our FOB sweet spot, I was good-to-go from there. All I can tell you is, this weekend was all about THE SOUND SYSTEM. Everything came together for all of us. The vibes were just right. The boys and the sound crew made history. The sound fidelity here was the Grateful Dead and sound crew's equivalent of landing on the Moon. Show me a sweeter sound than this unique AUD. I'm still looking myself.

This AUD recording epitomizes the very best of the Grateful Dead "live sound" for the time. The Wall of Sound is nailed by the sound crew and the Dead for this show. Set within an outdoor Stadium, this close-up infield FOB spatially captures sound from the two Aux PA towers on the infield, behind the taper. The sound delay from the Wall of Sound to the Aux PA towers adds a touch of ear candy as it rolls around the stadium. This was by far the best sound fidelity experience I ever heard come out of a PA System, period. It was a sensational orgy of sound.

HEADS-UP on this gd73-06-10 show!! -- just announced by Steve Swartz over at bt-etree dot org -- "We interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to bring you an astonishing source of one of the most popular dead shows of all time, created by perhaps the best person currently building mtx sources. Need I say more?" *** Charlie Miller ***

It's funny how "it's making its way through the system" that Diana Hamilton just cited here. Steve Swartz and Arbuthnot both told me "that's the way it works around here. Eventually, Matt Vernon will get his hands on it, and it will arrive here as a new item on the LMA."

Here's the bit torrent for the New Charlie Miller gd73-06-10
-- this torrent is a Matrix blockbuster -- my sweet AUD is bundled in this one! --

-- if anyone missed my posts here recently --
Here's my AUD gd73-06-10 d/l on Media Fire

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 21, 2008 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

I was impressed with how fast your aud was used in a matrix. I got it the other day but have not have had a chance to listen to it. I was told that it is excellent. Congrats to you.

As a point of clarification, Kevin Tobin made the matrix with your source, another Aud source from Charlie Miller and a recent Charlie Miller upgrade of a sbd source.

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Poster: high flow Date: Mar 21, 2008 2:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

Let's stick to what's on this archive. How about that?

No offense, but all this poking, and she's bound to roll over. I don't wish to be a casualty of that. I enjoy streaming shows, and for more casual listeners it's perfect.

Yes, avalailable elsewhere, free, we know.

Let it be.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2008 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

Suppose you have a point there...they may be watching.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2008 1:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

OMG--is that really true, TB? Trust I have no inclination, but that is really cool...Does it take a 500 gb drive or three with SHNs or some such? Just curious..

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 4:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

one more note tigerbolt - about saving b/w, by trading h/d... interesting thought. I've said EXACTLY that phrase "saving bandwidth here" -- when I pointed out how to save streaming VBR SBDs -- by pulling them out of your cache using ZtreeWin -- cause if you do it THIS WAY -- you can pause the streaming player each time it starts. Then copy URL -- open new TAB -- paste. REPEAT maybe half-a-dozen times. Now you have multi-streaming on steroids hi-speed. A show takes maybe 15 min to d/l this way. Then, Ztree nails it from there. Or, you can maybe Right-Click on the damn thing. I actually went step-by-step on this, and was censored. Didn't mean to do any harm. Point was same, save b/w, no need to keep streaming same thing over-and-over. At the time, etree was going through a major s/w upgrade and having problems.

*** above can be any LMA shows, trade-friendly. any filesets with streaming files derived. save b/w. btw, I've also seeded one other SBD from tapes of mine to the LMA.

take a look at Arabesque from 1980
featuring Mike Scap on guitar (and mandolin)


"A little bit David Grisman, a little bit Django Rheinhart, and a lot of fun!"


This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2008-03-21 23:02:49

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 21, 2008 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

The reason you were asked not to discuss this here is that many people are concerned that we could lose streaming. This is for historic purposes. Back in Nov. 2005 when the dead changed their policy about this place we actually lost everything initially. Then they compromised and gave us the streaming of the boards and full access to auds. Many of us are just fine with this arrangement and fear that discussion like this puts our current level of access at jeopardy.

I suspect that this was never fully explained last time and it might have felt like someone was over-reacting.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 5:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: one last thing -- important

you are nice people. might I add a simple clarification? 98 per cent of what I've posted here -- that is links to live music shows -- have come from the LMA or ETREE. period, paragraph. the other 2 per cent either came from gdlive-dot-com archives 14 months ago, or is AUD or SBD with me as the taper. Nothing has been stolen. period, paragraph.

isn't it correctly this case? LMA=ETree=Archive-dot-org=bt-dot-etree-dot-org=Lossless Audio=47,700 items, and 2825 bands=Rhino=GD=trade-friendly bands=forums at etree and here=all of us sitting here at this table?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 21, 2008 5:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: one last thing -- important

well i was never very good at math so i am not sure about that equation at the bottom, but i do read all of you posts and do appreciate your sharing of the music. I was just trying to explain why that one area of discussion is considered taboo here. Again congrats on getting your aud out there to the public and now having it included in a matrix.

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: one last thing -- important

elbow -- imho, this is for you guys. I enjoy it here. thanks. I know you're right. I learned it here from you all. My bad is so horrifically obvious. I've read nearly not-a-shread about estates, wills, legal stuff and all that history. Cause I love 'em, and I love 'em my way. And I'm sharing some of that love here. that's pretty damn good all around in my book. what else would I be doing this past winter?

Click the magic drag-in


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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 7:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: and thanks SDH and Arb

thanks SDH for putting up some posts lately about MOTB. didn't read it myself at first. a not-so-burnt phoenix-like regular poster here who is eating chicken curry right now in India asked what is MOTB? so I chimed in "i dunno." I asked "what's FOB mean? I know it's about the taper's mic location.: turns out that was slang for Front of Board. thanks jerkwaterdan!

point is, MOTB dudes are in Boulder, Colorado -- an hour's drive from my place in fort collins. we have a great music-sharing network in place. I have an interesting variety of top-shelf tapes I recorded at shows bet 1973 and 1983. All different music. Really good stuff. Maybe I'll get you guys my June 9, 1973 AUD next -- RFK Stadium -- 1st day. Same FOB. thanks to Arbuthnot in the FIRST PLACE for coaching me and rooting for me to go ahead and put my AUDs out there for you all. I've learned nearly every angle of "what's up" around here.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Mar 21, 2008 11:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and thanks SDH and Monte

seriously Monte, the THANKS are all to you, just one listen to Morning Dew, or Bird Song, Dark Star, etc., from your incredible capture of 6/10/73, is an antidote to the grimness and decay around me; you have added to the GD canon in a way that very, very few have; nazdravi

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 22, 2008 11:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: and thanks SDH and Monte

Hey my friend--just checking to see if package # 2 arrived safely? Hope so...again, a very small token.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2008 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- very personal

Appreciate all the work/math, so don't take this the wrong way, DHM! But, that said, here is my very personal equation:

Money already spent though watched carefully by a very wary spousal unit: $500 over three years (disks, covers, labels, HD, burner, mailing costs, etc.).

Money = time associated with my "hobby": Unknown, but clearly considerable.

Money/time savings associated with buying a commercial release, small perks associated with artwork/booklets/etc: PRICELESS!

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Mar 21, 2008 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- very personal -- me too

W - T. Thanks for what you do best. Setting the table here. I agree 100 per cent. I enjoy purchasing GD items. You and I are both speaking passionately from our heart and soul. We are deadhead music-loving citizens in this global village. Back "in-the-day" there was no Rhino, no Comcast. None of us thought about any of this crap. "We" are what remains. I've said it quite a few times here. It's about what is sustainable, and being good stewards of our Planet. I worship the GD for stewardship alone.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 21, 2008 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- very personal -- me too

Thanks too for those kind remarks. Love that you and so many others are cont'ing to make the music available by other means, and that is to be applauded!

The more the better...

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Poster: lastcall Date: Mar 21, 2008 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Do the math -- GD 'box set' d/l -- Rhino vs Comcast

would you email Phil and Bob and share your plan with them and post any response they may provide? how the hell does this behavior equate to being a "deadhead"? Honest question! Honest answer? Very curious.